[CIG-SHORT] plastic deformation

Charles Williams willic3 at gmail.com
Mon Dec 1 13:13:19 PST 2014


Does this mean we would need to save the stresses from the previous time step?

Charles


> On 2/12/2014, at 6:50 am, Birendra jha <bjha7333 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Another important question:
> 
> 4. Stress integration in pylith's DruckerPrager is implemented based on two points in time: the initial time and the current estimate at the current time. Do you think we need to integrate from the previous time step, if we implement camclay type models?
> 
> Thanks
> Birendra
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 12/1/14, Birendra jha <bjha7333 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [CIG-SHORT] plastic deformation
> To: "Charles Williams" <willic3 at gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2014, 11:58 AM
> 
> Hello Charles
> 
> I am implementing the Modified Cam Clay model into Pylith
> following the paper: Cam-Clay plasticity, Part I Implicit
> Integration of elasto-plastic constitutive relations, Borja
> and Lee, CMAME, 1990
> 
> 1. Can I start by copying the DruckerPrager3D files and
> modify the yield function (yieldFunction), calculation of
> plastic strain, and calculation of consistent tangent
> (elasticConsts)? The relevant functions are
> _calcStressElastoplastic, _calcElasticConstsElastoplastic,
> _updateStateVarsElastoplastic. 
> 
> 2. Is this a good idea to implement the rate-dependent
> plasticity (e.g. camclay) using the pylith formulation? I
> mean, solve for the consistency parameter separately (in an
> inner Newton loop for cam clay), and for displacement or
> total strain in the outer Newton loop? The consistency
> parameter for this non-associative camclay model is the
> volumetric plastic strain itself.
> 
> 3. Can you recommend another source for the Modified Cam
> Clay implementation? I already found couple of typos in the
> above paper.
> 
> As I am debugging poor convergence of the nonlinear solver,
> I want to get your expert opinion regarding this. 
> 
> Thanks and best regards
> Birendra
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 10/6/14, Charles Williams <willic3 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Re: [CIG-SHORT] plastic deformation
>  To: "Birendra jha" <bjha7333 at yahoo.com>
>  Date: Monday, October 6, 2014, 5:15 PM
> 
>  Thanks, Birendra.  This
>  looks interesting, and it may be worth putting into PyLith
>  at some point.
> 
>  Cheers,
>  Charles
> 
> 
>  On 7/10/2014, at 10:06 am, Birendra jha <bjha7333 at yahoo.com>
>  wrote:
> 
>> I have attached
>  the paper.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>  --------------------------------------------
>> On Mon, 10/6/14, Charles Williams <willic3 at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Subject:
>  Re: [CIG-SHORT] plastic deformation
>> To:
>  cig-short at geodynamics.org
>> Date: Monday, October 6, 2014, 3:07 PM
>> 
>> Hi Birendra,
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/10/2014,
>> at 5:43
>  pm, Birendra jha <bjha7333 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Charles
>>> 
> 
>>> Thank you very much.
>> That is very helpful. 
>>> 
>>> Eq.(5.113):
>  Yes, cohesion c should not be
>> there and
>  the missing term is 3*\alpha_f*P^I.
>> 
>> Yes, that is what I have.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Can
>> you please
>  confirm that derivative of d w.r.t epsilon i.e.
>> Eqs.(5.123), with (5.124), is correct?
>> 
>> I have not reworked
>  this equation, but it
>> should be
>  correct.  If you derive it yourself from equation
>> 111, keep in mind that there is a factor
>  of 2 involved for
>> off-diagonal terms
>  depending on whether you are using the
>> 
>  tensor form or the vectorized equivalent of the
>> stress/strain tensors.
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Eq.(5.117):
>  Should P^I be multiplied
>> with R_i as
>  well? Although, this won't change the
>> tangent matrix.
>> 
>> Yes.  I
>> think I left
>  it out because I knew it wouldn’t affect the
>> tangent matrix, but I am making these
>  corrections in the
>> manual.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> I saw a
>  recent paper
>> (A new exact integration
>  method for the Drucker–Prager
>> 
>  elastoplastic model with linear isotropic hardening,
>>> László Szabó and Attila Kossa, Int
>  J
>> Solids Structures, 2012) that looks
>  useful because it has
>> exact expressions
>  for tangent matrix.
>>> 
>> What do you think about these methods?
>> 
>> I haven’t looked
>  at this, but I will try to
>> have a
>  look.  We don’t have that journal here at GNS.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Charles
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> Thanks again
>>> 
>  Birendra
>>> 
>> 
>  --------------------------------------------
>>> On Sun, 10/5/14, Charles Williams
>  <willic3 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject:
>> Re:
>  [CIG-SHORT] plastic deformation
>>> 
>  To:
>> cig-short at geodynamics.org
>>> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014, 4:41
>  PM
>>> 
>>> Hi
>  Birendra,
>>> 
>>> 
>  Probably the best
>> reference
>>> for the Drucker-Prager stuff
>> is the finite element book by
>>> Bathe
>> (Finite
>  Element Procedures, 1995).  Also, much of the
>>> solution method for Drucker-Prager
>> elastoplastic materials
>>> is analogous to
>> 
>  the procedure for power-law viscoelastic
>>> materials.
>>> 
> 
>>> 1.  Equation
>>> 5.104
>> is just
>  isolating the elastic deformation component,
>>> so that the stress can be computed
>  by
>> operating on the
>>> elastic strain. We
>> divide this into deviatoric and
>>> 
>> volumetric
>  components, which makes things easier.
>>> 
>>> 2.  What we
>  mean
>> here is
>>> 
>  taking the scalar inner product
>> 
>  (defined at the beginning of
>>> 
>  section
>> 5.3.1).
>>> 
>>> 3. 
>> The
>>> cohesion
>  appears to be a typo (I
>> actually think
>  it is left
>>> over from an
>> older derivation).  In going through
>  this,
>>> however, I believe I
>  discovered a missing
>> factor of 3 *
>  P^I
>>> in this equation.  I
>> will need to double-check this and see
>>> 
>> if this is
>  correct.  If you have derived this equation
>>> separately, I would appreciate
>> confirmation.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 4.  Are you
>  referring to the
>>> split
>> into elastic and plastic parts?  The
>  additive
>>> decomposition is
>  frequently used, although
>> I have also
>  seen
>>> a multiplicative
>> decomposition (see the book referred to
>>> 
>> above).
>>> 
>>> 
>> Cheers,
>>> 
>  Charles
>>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On
>  5/10/2014, at
>> 1:20 pm, Birendra jha
>  <bjha7333 at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi
>>> 
>> developers/users,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> I am trying to
>> 
>  understand Sec 5.4.2.1 Drucker-Prager
>>> 
>> Elastoplastic
>  With No Hardening (Perfectly Plastic). Can
>> you
>>> please point
>  me to a paper/document
>> which describes
>  this
>>> formulation? For
>> example,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 1. What is
>  the basis of Eq.(5.104), first
>>> 
>  equality? Can we write this for general
>> 
>  loading?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 2. What is
>  the
>>> meaning of "taking
>> the scalar product of both
>>> sides",
>> 
>  above Eq.(5.109). I can derive lambda by
>>> multiplying Eq.(5.100) on both sides
>  by
>> df/dsigma : C^E. But
>>> this lamda does
>> 
>  not quite look like (5.109) because of
>>> 
>> (5.104). also, I
>  would like to understand d in Eq(5.110).
>>>> 
>>>> 3. I
>  am not
>> able to
>>> 
>  derive the term in the bracket
>> in
>  Eq.(113). How does
>>> cohesion
>  enter
>> here?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>  4.
>> Eq.(5.117): what is the basis of
>  this
>>> 
>> split?
>  Is it always valid?
>>>> 
>>>> I'd just like to understand
>  the
>>> formulation.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Thanks for any
>> 
>  help
>>>> Birendra
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>  --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Thu, 10/2/14, Brad Aagaard
>  <baagaard at usgs.gov>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
> 
>>>> Subject:
>>> Re:
>> [CIG-SHORT]
>  plastic deformation
>>>> 
>> To:
>>> cig-short at geodynamics.org
>>>> Date: Thursday, October 2,
>  2014,
>> 10:50
>>> 
>  AM
>>>> 
>>>> Birendra,
>>>> 
>>>> It
>  would help to
>>> 
>> 
>  know what you
>>>> have tried to
>> resolve
>>> this
>  problem? Have 
>>>> you checked
>  the
>>> 
>> scales
>  used in the
>>>> 
>>> nondimensionalization? Have you 
>>>> 
>>> 
>  verified
>>>> convergence for the
>  same
>>> problem with a linear elastic
> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>  material? Does a
>> linear elastic
>  material
>>>> converge in
>> one nonlinear solve 
>>>> iteration?
>>>> What else
>>> 
>  have
>> you tried?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>  Brad
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On
>  10/2/14,
>> 6:39
>>> 
>  AM,
>>>> 
>> 
>  Birendra jha wrote:
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am
>> 
>  trying to run a
>>>> plastic
>  deformation
>> case with the
>>> DruckerPrager3D
>> 
>  material.
>>>> The nonlinear
>>> solver does not converge. Attached
>  are
>> my
>>>> 
>  files, which run.
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> It's
>> a
>>> very small setup: 10x1x1 column,
>> loaded at one
>>>> 
>  end with a cyclic
>> load that leads to
>>> compression and
>> 
>  tension
>>>> in the column
>>> in a sinusoidal manner.
>>>>> I
>>>> 
>  want to
>> compare the plastic strain
>  output
>>> with
>> my
>  analytical
>>>> solution.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> Can
>>>> someone please take a look and
>> help me
>>> with the
>  convergence
>>>> issue?
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Birendra
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
> 
>>> 
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