[CIG-SHORT] PyLith Convergence issue - DIVERGED_FUNCTION_COUNT and CONVERGED_SNORM_RELATIVE

Josimar Alves da Silva jsilva.mit at gmail.com
Fri Jun 23 07:04:31 PDT 2017


Ok sounds, good. thank you so much.

Best,
Josimar

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Brad Aagaard <baagaard at usgs.gov> wrote:

> On 06/23/2017 06:24 AM, Josimar Alves da Silva wrote:
>
>> Brad,
>>
>> Just to let you know that I sorted it out this problem.
>>
>> I set "open_free_surface=True" instead of False.  My understanding
>> regarding why it was not working is because I am applying tensile tractions
>> on the fault to balance out the normal stress, however this could
>> potentially cause a problem with the fault node that is on edge of the
>> domain (right side on the fault, on the interface between the displacement
>> BC and the zero displacement  BC of my geometry).  Do you think this could
>> potentially be the problem  ? I
>>
>
> Maybe. It is difficult to diagnose some of these issues without a better
> understanding of what you are trying to model. For example, I don't
> understand why you are applying tensile tractions. A simple sketch of what
> you are trying to model would help. We can talk about this at the workshop
> next week.
>
> In setting up a new fault friction example, I may be encountering some
> similar issues to what you are finding related to rate- and state-friction
> and convergence issues for a through-going fault. I have several ideas on
> what the source of this might be, but need to do some more testing to zero
> in on the problem (I doubt I will be able to get to this before next week).
>
> Regards,
> Brad
>
>
>
>> I haven't changed anything on the solver parameterization. You can find
>> all the log files and the pylith_parameters.json file here:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/by2vgqadgbsk1fs/AACENG_kCXygHa3dsdEyNAf-a?dl=0
>>
>> thank you,
>> Josimar
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Josimar Alves da Silva <
>> jsilva.mit at gmail.com <mailto:jsilva.mit at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Brad,
>>
>>     Thanks for the remind. Here it is:
>>     https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sxiburbvru670n3/AAD3sLLHVPp-E-FKo
>> 4oQwf23a?dl=0
>>     <https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sxiburbvru670n3/AAD3sLLHVPp-E-FK
>> o4oQwf23a?dl=0>
>>
>>     thank you
>>     Josimar
>>
>>     On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Brad Aagaard <baagaard at usgs.gov
>>     <mailto:baagaard at usgs.gov>> wrote:
>>
>>         Josimar,
>>
>>         Please send the pylith_parameters.json file that PyLith generates.
>>
>>         Thanks,
>>         Brad
>>
>>
>>         On 06/22/2017 02:19 PM, Josimar Alves da Silva wrote:
>>
>>             Matt,
>>
>>             Thanks for the help. Here is the log file with more
>>             information:
>>             https://www.dropbox.com/s/qnpk055o9xg38j1/log.out?dl=0
>>             <https://www.dropbox.com/s/qnpk055o9xg38j1/log.out?dl=0>
>>
>>             Let me know if you need anything else.
>>
>>             thank you,
>>             Josimar
>>
>>             On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Matthew Knepley
>>             <knepley at rice.edu <mailto:knepley at rice.edu>
>>             <mailto:knepley at rice.edu <mailto:knepley at rice.edu>>> wrote:
>>
>>                  On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Josimar Alves da Silva
>>                  <jsilva.mit at gmail.com <mailto:jsilva.mit at gmail.com>
>>             <mailto:jsilva.mit at gmail.com <mailto:jsilva.mit at gmail.com>>>
>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>                      Matt,
>>
>>                      Thank you so much for the help. I followed up on
>>             your suggestions:
>>
>>                      1) Using snes_max_funcs=10000 did not help. The
>>             simulation does
>>                      not go beyond iteration #5000. It stopped at the
>>             same time step
>>                      as the previous one.
>>
>>
>>                  Note this has to be in the [petsc] section. Please add
>>             snes_view.
>>                  Then we can see exactly what the setting were.
>>                  It would also be good to add snes_converged_reason
>>
>>                  I looked at the log. It makes as much as progress as it
>>             will ever
>>                  make after 2 iterates, thus I think there
>>                  is a problem with interplay of tolerances here.
>>
>>                      2) Can you comment a little bit on how can I
>>             improve my initial
>>                      guess, as you mentioned here : "if your initial
>>             guess is not
>>                      good enough they can fail". What you mean about it ?
>>
>>
>>                  I mean if you are taking time steps so big that the
>>             last solution is
>>                  not close to the next one, the solves will be harder.
>>
>>                     Matt
>>
>>                      The log file is attached.
>>
>>                      thank you so much in advance,
>>                      Josimar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                      On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Matthew Knepley
>>                      <knepley at rice.edu <mailto:knepley at rice.edu>
>>             <mailto:knepley at rice.edu <mailto:knepley at rice.edu>>> wrote:
>>
>>                          On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Josimar Alves
>>             da Silva
>>                          <jsilva.mit at gmail.com
>>             <mailto:jsilva.mit at gmail.com> <mailto:jsilva.mit at gmail.com
>>
>>             <mailto:jsilva.mit at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>                              Dear Brad, Matt and Charles,
>>
>>                              I am working on a 2-D quasi-static,
>>             elastic, simulation
>>                              using rate and state friction model.
>>
>>                              The simulation runs fine for many time
>>             steps, then at
>>                              some point I get the error below related to
>>                              DIVERGED_FUNCTION_COUNT.
>>
>>                              Nonlinear solve did not converge due to
>>                              DIVERGED_FUNCTION_COUNT iterations 5000
>>
>>                              All the log files, along with the .cfg
>>             files, model
>>                              geometry and boundary conditions as well as a
>>                              convergence plot for the SNES residual can
>>             be found on
>>                              the attached .zip file.
>>
>>                              I have some questions that I would like to
>>             have your input:
>>
>>                              1) Is it possible to extend the maximum
>>             value for
>>                              DIVERGED_FUNCTION_COUNT  ? Note that I have
>>             snes_max_it
>>                              =10000  but SNES still stops at 5000 value.
>>
>>
>>
>>                          snes_max_funcs 10000
>>
>>                              2) Looking at the convergence plots that I
>> have
>>                              attached, I noticed that the time step that
>>             fails
>>                              contains iterations that actually increase
>> the
>>                              residual,instead of decreasing it. Would
>>             you know what
>>                              is causing this behavior ?
>>
>>
>>                          There is no guarantee of decrease with a
>>             general nonlinear
>>                          problem.
>>
>>                              3) There are several time steps that
>>             converge with
>>                              tolerances smaller than what I ask for
>>             using the
>>                              snes_atol (see figure attached). At these
>>             time steps I
>>                              get the following
>>
>>                              Line search: Aborted due to ynorm <
>> stol*xnorm
>>                              (9.933794721748e-10 < 1.046238089915e-09)
>>             and inadequate
>>                              full step.
>>
>>                              Nonlinear solve converged due to
>>                              CONVERGED_SNORM_RELATIVE iterations 694
>>
>>
>>                          This means that even a very short step length
>>             gave no
>>                          residual decrease, also known as "stagnation".
>>             Here is the
>>                          nonlinear
>>                          solver is just not working.
>>
>>                          We have no convergence theory for the friction
>>             problems, and
>>                          if your initial guess is not good enough they
>>             can fail. We
>>                          want to explore
>>                          more powerful solvers for these, but after we
>>             get a revised
>>                          formulation in place.
>>
>>                            Thanks,
>>
>>                               Matt
>>
>>                              Note that I am using
>>             snes_error_if_not_converged =true.
>>
>>                              Could you please comment on why this is
>>             happening and
>>                              how I would fix this issue ? Does it affect
>>             the next
>>                              time steps after it ?
>>
>>                              Let me know if you need any further
>>             information.
>>
>>                              Thank you so much for you help in advance,
>>                              Best
>>                              Josimar
>>
>>
>>
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